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Q&A: Inventor of Waterless Fracking on Why His Method Will Be a Game-Changer

In an interview, Robert Lestz discusses everything from the risks of using propane to why Canadian companies are more willing to try something new.

Nov 14, 2011
A GasFrac well pad in Alberta, Canada

When Robert Lestz was a research engineer at Chevron in the 1990s, he began searching for a way to extract deeply buried gas and oil deposits without using the vast quantities of chemically enhanced water needed for hydraulic fracturing. The industry's increasing reliance on such large amounts of water seemed unsustainable, both economically and ecologically.

At first, Lestz experimented with nitrogen and liquid carbon dioxide. But he wasn't satisfied.

Then one night at home, while he was on the phone with a co-worker, his wife asked him to turn off the gas grill. "I said 'I got it.' My wife thought I was talking to her, but I was talking into the phone."

Lestz eventually developed a fracking process that substitutes propane, or liquid petroleum gas (LPG), for water. Chevron wasn't interested in LPG fracking, Lestz said. But in 2006, a business friend in Canada took the idea and started GasFrac, where Lestz is now the chief technology officer. Based in Calgary, Alberta, GasFrac is apparently the only company that offers LPG fracking. 

LPG's proponents say it is less environmentally intrusive than hydraulic fracking and that it also can be more profitable in the long run because it reduces infrastructure and waste. (Here's a story from InsideClimate News and the Albany Times-Union with more details about propane fracking.)

But persuading an established and profitable industry to accept a new technology has been difficult, Lestz told InsideClimate News in a wide-ranging interview.

The company recently got a $100 million loan that will help ease some of its growing pains, and it has hired Zeke Zeringue, a former president of Halliburton Energy Services Group, to replace its retiring founder and CEO.

On Tuesday night, GasFrac was honored by the industry with the first annual World Shale Gas technological innovator award.

"Although the award was originally to reflect the greatest breakthrough of the last 12 months, the committee felt that the potential impacts of LPG fracturing are so far reaching (economically, environmentally, and a chance for the industry to present themselves in a new light to the public/government) and that the technology is still new enough to warrant being hailed as the greatest breakthrough at the event this year," said the letter notifying Lestz of the award.

Robert Lestz, CTO of GasFracWhy did you want to frack with a fluid other than water in the first place? Were you driven by environmental concerns? Were you looking for a better way to drill?

"It was initially driven by a recognition that the techniques we were using to fracture wells were under-preforming, and that there had to be a better answer. We also recognized that these massive water fracks would work in the short term, but that it was questionable whether that would be sustainable.

"But the primary driver was well performance. So we started with a clean slate, and looked at fluids based on their performance, safety and sustainability. With sustainability, I look at economics and the environment going hand and hand."

What kind of impact do you think LPG fracking will have on the drilling industry?

"Obviously I'm biased coming from GasFrac, but I think it's going to have a substantial game-changing impact on the industry. This can deliver greater returns or, in farming terms, greater yields from the land with less impact. Today this is a new technology. Over time this will become standard practice, in my vision.

"Today we're the only company doing LPG, so the infrastructure for it is relatively poor. Equipment is needed, people need to be trained and the overall literacy of the oil and gas industry needs special attention and investment.

Picture in Article is not in Alberta

The picture used in the article is actually from pennsylvania.


It was sometime in early fall 2009.  It was a beautiful area and I loved being out there.


Regards,


Josh

FRACKING

Blowing up the ground beneath you and not knowing

the consequences to the future or even the damage

you may do now to me is like watching a roadrunner

cartoon. Except that blowing ourselves up is for real.

Fluid or no fluid, It is so obviously stupid.

LPG fracking

Mr. Hall, it appears as though you are woefully un-informed as to how fracking works. It is a process that has been in use for over 65 years (water fracking). It has been proven safe on literally tens of thousands of wells around the world! The depths from which oil and gas are recovered are generally 3-5 thousand feet BELOW, and separated from, any commonly used water supplying aquifers. In your scenario of "blowing up the ground beneath us..." that is a non-starter, for the following reason. You would have to have a supply of oxygen down in the well-bore for any below ground fire or detonation to occur. As the article clearly states, it is a closed-loop system, ergo, unless the operator of the process was also injecting oxygen into the well-bore, you have no opportunity for combustion to occur. I would politely suggest that you take the time to become more knowledgeable about this topic before you make illogical, and unfounded statements. Contrary to the media and other interests efforts to mis-portray us, WE are not the enemy. In the O&G Industry, we are committed to producing a safe, reliable, and native energy supply for the entire country. With better yields, come lower energy prices, which benefit all of us. As proof of concept, I would like to refer you to the past 4 years of natural gas prices. Prior to August 2008, Natural gas was selling for $11-13 per thousand cubic feet (mcf). Due in large part to the success and efficiency of hydraulic fracturing across the industry, we now know that the United States has at least a 150 year -/+. Supply of Natural gas, currently priced around $3.50-4.00 per mcf. How does this affect you? All of the 6000 plus products made from or with natural gas and it's derivatives cost less. And further, contrary to the media's falsehoods about us and the Industry, we don't have our own special secret stash of water and air for us to consume. The alternative is to stop producing oil and gas completely. All I would ask is that the next time you go to the dentist for a root canal, let me know how it works out for you, considering the dentist will likely be using a foot powered drill, and no anaesthesia.

Regards,

Wil Radford

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